Book Chat 11: Tom Piccirilli/The Midnight Road

January, 2009
Brenda
Bradshaw said... One thing I love about this book is the odd
out-of-place shock value moments. The first one I came across was, "It
would've been a hell of a nice place if not for the guy in the cage in
the middle of the room." After that one, I read it mostly to read more
of those kind of comments, and it kept its promise and delivered
throughout the book.
Evil Editor said... That
is a good line.
Dave F. said... I grew tired of the oddities cropping up everywhere.
Dave F. said... I was thrilled that the opening was his death but then as we got into the chapter, it got stranger and stranger
dana
p said... I thought it got off to a great start. Knowing that the
narrator was going to die, and come back to life -- presumably not as a
zombie -- was what made me want to read the book... not that there's
anything wrong with zombies...
Dave F. said... With the opening
couple hundred words, I kinda had the hope that he would come back as a
ghost and do the novel. I didn't expect him to visit the house of
Bizarro and descend into the pit.
dana p said... Dave, I had high hopes for the House of Bizarro. But I was cruelly disappointed...
Evil
Editor said... Back cover: In a genre where twisted souls and violence
are the norm, Piccirilli's work stands out for how it blends these
elements with a literate sensibility. Is this accurate, thriller
readers?
Dave F. said... Accurate enough for back cover copy. But By the end, I felt cheated.
dana p said... Was it a thriller? More of a hybrid horror-thriller-something...
Brenda
Bradshaw said... Yes, I think it's a thriller. It's along the lines of
Koontz, which interestingly enough, this book is dedicated to him.
Evil
Editor said... I chose the book because it won an award as best
paperback original thriller of the year, and it opened and closed like a
thriller. The middle wasn't thrill a minute, but maybe that's good.
Thrill a minute doesn't often happen in real life.
Brenda
Bradshaw said... Knowing what happens with Nuddin in the end, it makes
me wonder at the motives of Mrs. Shepard at the beginning. She had the
"family obligation" to keep Nuddin, but at the same time, knew it was
best to keep him contained. What Flynn (and we) considered "abuse" -- in
hindsight, it wasn't abuse. Maybe not the best way to handle someone
like Nuddin, but her INTENT was well.
"You don't understand. We're protecting him."
"From what?"
"From the world. From temptation."
That's
our first hint. HE doesn't need the protection. The WORLD does. It's a
temptation to Nuddin. And it's so great she'll risk killing Flynn AND
shooting at him even though he has Kelly with him in the car.
Does that make her as bad a person as we thought she was?
dana
p said... I thought it made Mrs. Shephard a very STUPID person. Come
on, lady, just spit it out. Don't hint. Of course, if she hadn't beaten
around the bush, there wouldn't have been a book.
Brenda Bradshaw said... That scene also has a line I love:
Her
mother holding a gun on a stranger couldn't rate all that high on the
Holy Shit Barmeter if your own mentally handicapped uncle lived in a
cage in your basement. Was that just another sign of practicality?" HA!
Dave F. said... She's completely nuts. Something unsaid made the father dial the CYS
Evil
Editor said... I guess if you read a lot of mysteries, you like for the
killer to be the obvious person occasionally and the least obvious
occasionally, and someone in between most of the time. To me this was
least obvious. I didn't mind Nuddin being one of the bad guys, but the
ambulance driver?
Brenda Bradshaw said... That's because we can
all relate to ambulance drivers. We've all experienced them, or know we
may some day, and so they're REAL and what Peterson did as an EMT could
be real. Nuddin... he's more of the fantasy.
Evil Editor said...
It was more the feeling of coincidence that bothered me. The guy in the
cage at the house collaborates with the guy who saves the narrator's
life later that night.
Dave F. said... What's his name the hero,
is so dysfunctional, I was surprised the police didn't start trailing
him. Everywhere he goes dead bodies turn up... where were the police?
Brenda
Bradshaw said... Flynn, and yes, they did tail him. They'd pulled off
the tail four days before Florence was murdered in the theater.
Evil Editor said... It's not his fault some woman's head explodes while he's talking to her.
Brenda
Bradshaw said... Laughs! EE! That's one of my favorite things of this
entire book. The description of her head blowing apart like a flower
blooming, having her guts in his mouth, getting CUTS from flying pieces
of skull. The novel is worth reading just for that part there.
Evil Editor said... I wasn't sure what had happened. I thought maybe he imagined it till the next chapter started.
dana
p said... The more I read, the less interesting & sympathetic I
found the narrator. By the end, I neither respected him nor cared what
happened to him. Kind of not the effect the author was looking for, I
suspect.
Dave F. said... That's my reaction too, Dana. He was so
damaged he wasn't sympathetic. I also didn't believe that the CYS
official would house two damaged children at her house without
psychological evaluation. She's taking care of damaged kids and she
brings in more?
dana p said... And he was damaged because... his
brother died painlessly in a car accident that was his own stupid fault.
And it damaged the narrator soooooo badly. I don't know. I wanted to
tell him to get over himself.
Brenda Bradshaw said...What did you
think of Zero, the dog? And how Flynn saw tons of dead people, like his
brother, Danny, and Patricia (Danny's dead girlfriend). I never really
figured out WHY. It almost felt like a forced part of the novel without
any real meaning behind it.
Dave F. said... He needed a stable friend to show off the normal world.
BTW - I thought the dog was an interesting device.
dana
p said... About the dog -- it made me think of the dead guy in that
Todd mystery series (sorry, can't remember the name). The one with the
WWI veteran who hallucinates the soldier he executed. The dog device
felt like it was "borrowed" directly from there.
Evil Editor
said... As with movie thrillers, there are always things you find
unbelievable, but did it keep you turning the pages? I read it a lot
faster than I expected to.
Dave F. said... I did read this fast
but the last few pages were agony. I lost any interest in Flynn. Maybe
that because he never did seem to deal with his brother's death.
Brenda
Bradshaw said... What role do the damn movies play? I got tired of
hearing "film noir". What point was it? Was it just to give us insight
into his character? The ONLY thing I can find is him selling his posters
to fix his dead brother's car. The memory of his brother, the power
that stupid car represents, is greater to him than his own
interest/hobby.
Evil Editor said... Perhaps the author is into
film noir. The About the Author (page 319) confirms he's into noir
novels and cult films. As does the front of his web page. As a writer,
you save a lot of research if you make your character be into the same
stuff you're into. Write what you know. Flynn was an obsessive kind of
guy. Movies and the car and his brother. Maybe you have to be obsessive
to be good at a CPS job.
Brenda Bradshaw said... Then why did it take him 20 years to hunt down Emma? Was that like... Obsession through Denial?
Evil Editor said... He was a kid when he knew Emma. Not that he ever knew her.
dana
p said... Emma! Poor, poor Emma. How are things going to go for HER,
now that this crazy-a$$ guy has fixated on her & idealized her into
something magical. Ugh.
Dave F. said... Brenda, I think he
retreated into his own world after his brother's death. He just found it
easier to have a huge pity party in his mind and never come to terms
with the death. So he never spoke to anyone but he created the fantasy
of getting his brother back by living with death and possibly dying.
dana
p said... The more I learned about the narrator, the more self-pitying,
and eventually pitiful, he seemed. Brenda, I thought the author had
real talent. He made me laugh/snort out loud a few times too. I ran
across a review of another of the author's books recently. (I'm not
going to ready anything more of his.) It had 2 brothers with issues, and
ANOTHER special-sacred car. The book, that is, not the review.
Brenda
Bradshaw said... I don't really read thrillers, so I have no idea if
this is a "good" one or not, in general. I MAY read something else by
Piccirilli, but if it starts in with film noir and muscle cars and their
"power", I'd pitch it against the wall.
Brenda Bradshaw said... I
wish there'd been more interaction between Flynn and the shrink Moody
(anyone else find that a hilarious name for a psychiatrist?!). It was
sooooooo funny after the shrink's big long declaration and then he asked
Flynn, "So tell me about your mother." Flynn's reply was too damn funny
for words: Flynn hopped up, said, "Oh for the holy love of sweet baby
Jesus Christ in a shit-strewn manger," and walked out.
dana p said... Brenda, I agree, that was one of the book's great moments.
Evil Editor said... In fact, that's one of the great lines/scenes in literary history.
Dave F. said... I agree with EE - Moody is one of the great scenes with that huge, wordy build up and then "About your mom?"
Brenda Bradshaw said...Also, the reporter, Jesse Gray, there was like this attempt of a relationship but it never went anywhere.
Evil Editor said...They did hit the sheets. That's not exactly nowhere.
Robin S. said... I agree - hitting the sheets is definitely somewhere. Or it can be, anyway.
Brenda
Bradshaw said...I guess the romance writer in me wanted more out of
that, and to see another side of Flynn past the muscle car and the
movies but it never came about, so she ended up just being another
reporter without a real purpose in the novel. If you take her out of any
scene, the scene still stands. That's not saying a lot about her
character. Brenda Bradshaw said... OH! Another thing I really, really
disliked about this novel: Trevor. He's the kid who helps around
Sierra's house and befriends Nuddin. His stupid "confession" that he
wasn't abused; he just didn't want to MOW THE LAWN. GAH! No words. Just
gutteral sounds of frustration inserted here. That was horribly
anti-climatic to a stupid extreme.
dana p said... Brenda, the Trevor reveal was just one amongst a vast sea of non-credibilities by the time it came up.
Dave
F. said... I thought the Grey newspaper character lost big when she
kept pumping him for news stories and trying to sleep with him at the
same time. Gee, I don't often call women bad names but she deserves one.
dana
p said... I usually loathe it when the sexy young woman *cannot resist*
getting in bed with the frumpy, unappealing
middle-aged-narrator-stand-in-for-the-author. Kudos to this author for
making it credible to me -- by creating the woman as such a messed-up,
unappetizing, fundamentally boring piece of work herself.
Brenda Bradshaw said... Hi Robin! What's your take on MIDNIGHT ROAD?
Robin
S. said... I'm on the fence about this one....precisely because the
depression had no end game, as far as I was concerned. Just noir for
noir's sake doesn't do it for me. Was anyone else depressed by this
book, or did you all already say that?
Brenda Bradshaw said... It
was depressing, Robin. I mean, I get the entire "Kill your darlings" as
a writer. Throw more and more and more crap at them. Kill those they
love, put them through hell, see how much they can take, etc. BUT! The
purpose of that is to get a greater sense of RIGHTNESS by the end of the
book, that they suffered for a reason, and found
redemption/happiness/reward at the end. I didn't feel that at the end of
this one.
Evil Editor said... When your main character's job is investigating child abuse, there're bound to be some depressing pages.
Robin
S. said... Well, yeah, EE. Child abuse as a topic is horrific. But I
felt like the darkness had no let up. Not that I expected Little Mary
Sunshine to show up.
Dave F. said... I did like the noir tone but
I felt cheated about the end. I like "redemption" and "resurrection" as
an ending. Plus, everyone I know who's suffered a loss has come to
terms with it, myself included.
Brenda Bradshaw said... Dave: I agree. I mean, Flynn is like the Epitome' of Denial.
Evil Editor said... I certainly hope no one comes to terms with it when they lose me.
dana p said... EE, I for one will be inconsolable. (Guess I'll just have to go first.)
Robin S. said... I would never get over it, so don't go anywhere, please.
Brenda
Bradshaw said...And why did Sierra have to be a gunshot-to-the-face
survivor for her role in this book? Her wigs and plastic surgery, the
comment Flynn accidentally makes about "a gunshot to the face" and she's
like "been there, done that"... AWKWARD MOMENT! I never understood what
purpose having her all physically messed up meant for her character and
the novel in general. If you take away her past, it doesn't affect the
story aside from the car/gun being one of her ex's, but even so, it
would have worked without her violent history being attached to it.
Dave
F. said... I Agree Brenda, The story would have worked without her
violent history being attached to it. Maybe she was too interesting a
character? I know it's good to have interesting characters but should
they all be so striking? That's a question for the author when creating
the book.
Evil Editor said... It doesn't
have to
be important to the story when you give a character's background.
Although wasn't it the metal plates in her skull that helped her survive
the beating long enough to talk to Flynn?
Brenda Bradshaw
said... EE: Yeah, something about the plates, I do remember but was it
NECESSARY? We went through several parts where he'd talk about her
plastic surgery, how it affected her smile/sneer, how her left eye hung
lower, showing she was tired, etc. I think we could have had a "she had a
plate in her head" to save her in that scene without all the other gore
that made me and my incredible ability at visualization cringe whenever
she came on scene. Seemed unnecessary to the story for me. Unless it's
because he's always so vitally surrounded by extreme disaster -- even
his boss's face.
Evil Editor said... Well, you can't just say she had a plate in her head
after she survives. That's Deus ex machina. We have to know all about it in advance.
dana p said...
Somehow,
killing Sierra in that grotesque way felt to me like cheating.
Over-the-top. Like the author was going for a cheap shock, at the
reader's expense.
Dave F. said... Sierra's death fit the rest of
the story. The gunshot head, the chases in the snow, the car crashes...
All the work of a madman. I think the author fell in writer's love with
Sierra. I have characters like that. They are so easy to write and they
are so vivid, too. I'm not saying they do any good to the story but
that's a writer's love affair. I didn't mind Sierra's physical injury
stuff.
dana p said... I guess I didn't buy the madman stuff.
Maybe that's why it didn't work for me. The author just did not convince
me with the Nuddin characterization.
Brenda Bradshaw said...
Dana: I didn't see Sierra's death as over the top. I found her living
description way over the top though. Her death almost had to be violent
like that because of WHO killed her. It showed his strength to be able
to do that much damage to someone like Sierra, who'd already
seen/experienced so much. I found her described death more credible than
her life.
Dave F. said...Am I the only one who felt unprepared for Nuddin being the villain? I did feel unprepared.
Brenda
Bradshaw said... I wasn't surprised it was Nuddin. I mean, we'd been
warned that they were protecting him from temptation. And, usually
something like that comes full circle. It started with Nuddin so it
ended up Nuddin. What I wasn't expecting with Nuddin, though, was the
creepy intelligence underneath it all, but even THAT shouldn't have
surprised me because it's stated he's Autistic, and we all know what
brainiacs Austistic children are at the core of the shell they live in.
dana
p said... I could see the Nuddin reveal coming. And -- I did not buy
it. There were a bunch of credibility issues in this story, & that
was probably the biggest for me.
Evil Editor said... I wasn't
prepared for either villain, but the guy who saved Flynn's life? That's
the one that got me. He happened to be driving the ambulance. He had
nothing to do with the actual case.
Brenda Bradshaw said...
Peterson did more than drive the ambulance. He was an actual EMT who
saved Flynn. He had a huge God complex, which isn't surprising. We're
used to seeing that in doctors, but who ever really thinks of the EMTs
like that? I kind of liked that twist, but where does Peterson team up
with Nuddin? At the initial scene when Flynn is dead for 30 minutes?
That part never really registere with me, the two of them teaming up.
dana
p said... I swear I've seen that EMT god-complex device used in fiction
before. I have the power of life & death yadda yadda... Does that
ring any bells for anyone else?
Evil Editor said... Evil Editor
said... Possibly everything's been used in fiction by now. I guess
Nuddin and Peterson were both there that night. Though I don't see them
bonding under even good circumstances.
Dave F. said... At that
level of manipulation, you don't need to bond, just connect and find the
right words to get the person to listen. It's manipulative and creepy.
LIke interrogations by the police. At the point Peterson admits his
involvement is when we, as readers, should start to question who he had
contact with. But maybe the author should hint at that, too. Perhaps,
that's a missing line or a word in the book we should not reproduce.
Evil Editor said... True, if Peterson had an accomplice, it had to be someone who was there the night Flynn drowned.
Brenda
Bradshaw said... Well, Nuddin and Peterson obviously met that first
night at the wreck when Flynn "died". Nuddin had been in the car, helped
to save Kelly by getting the window down, etc., so he'd still be there
when the EMTs/cops got there and worked on Flynn. But that's so... "in
passing". At what point did Nuddin see this supposed weakness/secret in
Peterson to make him want to team up to torture Flynn? That's never
explained and I really had assumptions.
Dave F. said... AS much
as I analyze things, when I am reading or watching a movie, I tend to
wait for the author to tell the story. I do not analyze for hidden
motives and stuff like "Why is that mother crazy?" ... That's why I
missed Nuddin. You had to say to yourself, why is that woman nuts. Could
it be her autistic, naked idiot son/brother/incestuous sibling is
really a brilliant savant and has driven her mad?
Sorry, not in my idea of a book to enjoy.
Robin
S. said... I have to tell you, I skipped parts of this novel, which for
a readholic like me, is saying something. Still, I felt huge empathy
for the victims, and their hopelessness. It had many positives - for my
taste, I think it could've been stronger with an occasional release from
the underworld feeling I had when I read it, but the descriptions were
quite evocative.
Dave F. said... It's a well written book.
It's vivid and has good thrills. And I did finish it. But I just didn't
connect with the main character. I liked many of the lesser characters,
though. It was very modern and gritty - like an urban noir.
Brenda Bradshaw said... Okay, some more of my favorite lines from MIDNIGHT ROAD (yes, I marked them):
Sometimes you couldn't keep your dead dogs quiet.
Here it was, a retarded guy with drool on his chin telling Flynn he was stupid. (LOVE that one)
You
could die a lot of dopey ways but being stabbed in a cage while
wrestling a naked autistic idiot-savent split personality was way the
hell up there. (This sums up the novel for me -- find the biggest
impossible-sounding over-the-top thing and write a novel about it
because you can, even if the novel doesn't really hold any sense of
anything else.
And my personal favorite:
All families have secrets.
Sometimes it's you.
Brenda
Bradshaw said... I'm glad I read this novel (twice even) and those kind
of lines like I indicated above were all I really needed to flip the
pages. I love his lines like those -- but then again, I'm kind of sick
that way. It takes a lot to get shock-value over on me, but Piccirilli
definitely did it.
Robin S. said... Brenda, That last favorite you listed was my favorite as well.
Brenda
Bradshaw said... Robin: me too! It's definitely a statement which makes
you sit back and say, "Whoaaaaaaaa... wait... ohhhhhhh crap..."
Maybe that's just me who had that reaction... I'll shut up now...
Dave
F. said... I will give this as a gift to one of my friends and they
will appreciate it. And I mean that. No irony, no satire, no silliness.
dana p said... Some good stuff: He does a good job of establishing mood. He knows how to get things off to a whiz-bang start.
Evil
Editor said... I like the third one, Brenda. Glad you copied them, it
reminds me that there was a lot of humor from the narrator.
Dave
F. said... Brenda's right about his writing. It is really exciting and
precise. It takes time and effort to craft sentences that stunning.
That's hard work and Piccirilli does a good job of it.
BuffySquirrel said... *waves in passing*
Robin
S. said... Yeah, Brenda, I liked it because said a lot without a bunch
of explanatory fluff attached (and I do get the joke about how a woman
who writes in long, long sentences would think that).
Brenda
Bradshaw said... Thanks to everyone who participated and read this novel
with me and taking time to come and post (waves to Buffy!). I've
enjoyed the discussion and breaking the novel apart to poke around its
bloody guts (and this one had a lot of bloody guts to explore!)
dana p said... Thanks, EE & Brenda.
freddie said... Damn. Just missed you guys. For some reason, no matter how well-written, thrillers always seem cliched to me.