Book Chat 38 Josh Bazell/Beat the Reaper

Evil Editor said...Possibly it's just my cynical sense of humor, but I loved this book.
stacy said...I did, too.
fairyhedgehog said...Hi everyone! I found the book a bit gory but I enjoyed quite a lot of it.
Evil Editor said...I don't mind gory when it involves sharks.
stacy
said...I didn't even think about that. He managed to get sharks in
there. No wonder EE loved this book. : ) There were parts that made me
laugh out loud. I don't have the book with me, but one exchange I loved
was
"Who whistles?"
"Assholes?"
"Okay. Who else?"
vkw
said...Hi Stacy. I loved this book too and I can get pretty cynical
sometimes too. However, my favorite people are cynical people. I have
friends that could have written this book. Can't wait to send it to one
of them. I loved how fast-paced it was.
Sylvia said...I really
enjoyed the book too. He was great as a personality. Larger than life
but flawed enough that it didn't feel unbelievable.
Evil Editor
said...I read it in early April, so I don't recall much in the way of
specifics. My one complaint was that it didn't seem reasonable that the
guy could drive to Illinois and choose a random motel and still be found
almost immediately.
stacy said...I did find it a tad bit
unbelievable that the MC and Magdelena (sp?) could spend an entire
night in a shark tank without getting eaten. I know her brother was,
but it seems to me those sharks would get hungry after an hour or two.
Evil Editor said...The sharks are probably well-fed to begin with. They toss in a cow every day or two.
Sylvia
said...The hospital scenes were very scary. I agree the shark tank
scene was a bit much - but by then I was so into the book, I didn't
care.
fairyhedgehog said...I didn't think the shark tank was much
more unrealistic than the whole mafia background, and than someone
who'd killed people being on the witness relocation scheme and managing
to train as a doctor. Maybe it could all happen but it seemed fairly
unlikely to me.
vkw said...I didn't have problems with the
sharks. They probably are well fed, but then I don't know. I always
thought someone could walk through a lion's exhibit at the zoo without
being attacked - as long as they didn't deliberately aggravate the
lion. I'm not sure that is true anymore.
Dave Fragments said...I'm here and I like the book but I'll be about ten minutes of half changing an electric socket
Evil Editor said...How do you half change an electric socket?
vkw said...I thought the author was a genius. I have decided never to be hospitalized.
stacy said...I did love the cynicism, though it did make me glad I haven't been admitted to a hospital in a long time.
Evil
Editor said...I don't doubt that everything that goes on in this
hospital has gone on in some hospital, but to have it all going on in
one hospital was hilarious. And scary, if the author convinced you it's
commonplace.
vkw said...Remember the part with the girl with the
brain infection from the tongue piercing? this was one of the many
moments in the book where I went, "where does the author come up with
this stuff?"
Dave Fragments said...I've seen some wild things in
hospitals but this is beyond reality. It was lots of fun to read about
that messed up a place.
Evil Editor said...Also funny are the game on the author's website, and the three trailers for the book.
Sylvia said...I will look at the author's website this afternoon, I hadn't thought to look it up.
fairyhedgehog
said...I was mostly enjoying the book but I was left a bit flat by the
ending. I think I must be missing something there.
stacy said...I
felt the same way, Fairy. But ultimately I didn't care. The writing was
too good. The tongue-piercing thing made me wonder if that's actually
happened. Just one of those things the tongue-piercing parlors don't
want you to know about . . .
vkw said...To Stacy - I am not sure
about tongue piercing but I know tooth infections can lead to brain
infections. Some historians have theorized that humans used to die a
lot from tooth infections. I have seen tooth infections gone really,
really bad - all the way up the sinus cavities. (worked with homeless
population once)
stacy said...Yike, vkw. I'm making a dentist
appointment straight away. !!! I hope my dentist won't be as cynical as
the doc in the book.
Sylvia said...I just liked the narrator and
how much I was cheering for someone that was clearly the villain in
someone else's novel. Although also, I was well impressed with the way
he used tenses. So I was on the author's side.
vkw said...The
hospital stuff was amazing. Nice contrast to ER. I hope a movie is made
of this book. I don't like "slap" (like hangover) comedies or "romantic"
comedies but smart, cynical comedies I love.
Evil Editor said...Great footnotes, too.
Sylvia
said...The footnotes were actually interesting - I didn't spot them at
first. A clear downside of reading on the Kindle. Once I did, I had to
backtrack through the first quarter of the book to find them all.
Dave Fragments said...I did like the footnotes in that they added a level of sarcasm to the already funny situations.
vkw said...Loved the footnotes
stacy said...The backstory about the grandparents turned out to be a little chilling.
vkw said...Is the stuff about auswithch true? Does anyone know? And I felt creepy reading that part.
Dave
Fragments said...I worked out the Grandparents the instant the old
polish woman said that two teenagers killed her brother so many years
before. Immediately I thought collaborators.
stacy said...I knew
it was the grandparents, too, but for some reason I thought they killed
him for revenge. Which doesn't make sense, really. if they were Jews
and escaped they would have just run for it.
vkw said...Also, I
am sure Dave is going to jump on me for my naivete, but is there really
this much open Jewish prejudice in Europe, Poland? To the point the MC
saw it and heard it everywhere?
Sylvia said...I didn't see the
grandparents backstory coming at all, to be honest. I was less than
crazy with the whole "you have to kill someone to get in and old people
are easy" logic, though.
Evil Editor said...I'd have been
perfectly happy without the Nazis and the sharks and Illinois, just set
the whole thing in the hospital. But none of that bothered me. It felt
like I was getting the inside story. Like the guy was telling WikiLeaks
what goes on in medicine.
stacy said...I did too, EE. Although I see it with how my mom is treated whenever she's in the hospital.
Evil
Editor said...The fact that your mom's gone into the hospital more than
once and is still alive means it's not as bad as the author would have
us believe.
Dave Fragments said...I was in rehab for nearly 5
months many years and then 6 weeks a few years later. Hospitals are
crazy but never that bad.
Evil Editor said...They do try to keep you as comfortable as possible until they kill you.
vkw
said...One problem I had was why a famous doctor would operate in a
charity hospital. 'cause I would think if you could get a doctor like
that, you could also arrange for a better hospital. I was going to go
back to see if the author explained that but didn't have a chance.
Evil Editor said...Maybe this IS one of the better hospitals. Ever think of that?
Dave
Fragments said...Famous doctors really are head cases like that. huge
walking egos that want to be worshiped by all involved. I've met and
insulted a few in my life. There are cases of skewered spleens that
never end in malpractice suits. Major surgery like that is hard to
prove malpractice. But I've known colonostomies that ended in really
ugly deaths.
stacy said...I'm not saying they're bad; I'm saying
they're bad because they're so cynical. You know that egotistical
doctor who screwed up the surgery in the book? That basically happened
to my mom. She had knee surgery, which actually went fine, but the
doctor who performed the surgery refused to contact my mom's
cardiologist to find out what pain meds my mom could actually take.
Then she overprescribed a pain med, causing internal bleeding. My mom
went to the ER, telling everyone the pain was in her groin (where it
turned out she was bleeding internally), not her knee, but no one would
listen—including the doc who performed the surgery. So she was sent
home to bleed internally some more, until she finally went into renal
kidney failure. Only then was she admitted to the hospital. Then she
contracted a staph infection that had to be stopped before it spread to
her heart. I think that's why I liked the hospital parts of this book
so much. It hit exactly the tone I've dealt with in hospitals, and how
egotism and cynicism can be what screws up the patient. I think most in
the health profession are compassionate. But it only takes one.
vkw said...Stacy - I am sorry that happened to your mother.
fairyhedgehog
said...I think I'd prefer to believe that hospitals aren't really that
bad but stacy's experience kind of goes against that! I'm sorry your
mother had such a wretched time, stacy. I must admit my own experience
is of some pretty dodgy doctors and they don't all seem to mind if they
hurt you. I'm not sure what some of them think anaesthetics are for.
Dave
Fragments said...I have a few stories like that but most of the time,
doctors and nurses aren't this egotistically cavalier and things go
well. This was exceptional and I think it was done for the book. If you
read the notes, he wrote this in the down times while finishing med
school and doing an internship. So he's writing the commentary to skewer
the stupidity that we all know is internship. Doctors are real stupid
about pain. I scream at doctors first when I know they are going to
hurt me.
Evil Editor said...Yikes, Stacy. Any opinions I get
from doctors in a hospital, I'm getting a second opinion from House. Of
course the trouble with House is that he never gets it right on the
first try. Plus you always end up spewing blood out of at least one
orifice before he figures out what's wrong with you. And you have to
count on the right thing happening in his personal life to bring out
the truth about your case. Like, his guitar breaks a string and he has
an epiphany: My patient must have Lupus!
stacy said...LOL, EE!
That's true of real-life docs, too, I think. I haven't seen much of
House, but doesn't he always get the rare, hard-to-figure-out cases?
Like an unproven disease that was documented once in an obscure medical
journal in 1969?
Evil Editor said...House is in the Diagnostics
dept. He gets the cases the other doctors can't figure out,
theoretically. Mostly he takes the cases that interest him. It's a
funny show. House is almost as cynical as this guy.
stacy said...I'll have to check it out, EE. I've heard nothing but good things about it.
Dave Fragments said...House is unreal. He's so screwed up personally.
Sylvia
said...My favorite review: "Beat The Reaper" by Josh Bazel is what I
imagine you'd get if Quentin Tarantino had written House M.D.
vkw said...Sylvia - brilliant. Maybe we need a "Beat the Reaper" television show
Dave
Fragments said...Years ago, the FIRESIGN THEATER (a radio comedy
group) did a fake gaem show called Beat The Reaper --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3zZ_ih0Jpc
Dave Fragments
said...I must admit the sheer outrageousness of the story drew me far
enough into it so that I wanted to read the ending.
vkw
said...the outrageousness of the book is what may it readable/enjoyable
to me. It was kind of a guilty pleasure to chuckle and enjoy images that
normally would make me cringe - and ultimately stop reading a book. I
am not into gore or presenting crimes as anything but criminal - even
with rationalization.
fairyhedgehog said...Maybe that's what made
mafia-hitman turned doctor believable: they both believe they have
rights of life or death over people.
Evil Editor
said...Apparently if your voice is captivating enough, it doesn't
matter how outlandish your story is. Readers will go along for the
ride.
Sylvia said...I think that is true. This author is
excellent and the book was not dashed off. I found myself going
backwards a few times thinking "how did he pull that off"
Dave Fragments said...I enjoyed reading this only took three days in between all the other stuff I had to do. It's a fast read.
vkw
said...it was a fast read since it took me so long to decide to read
it to join this chat. My problem is I have so many books on my shelf to
read, it's hard for me to rationalize getting another book. But EE's
recommendation made it worth it - I didn't he would lead me wrong on
purpose.
Evil Editor said...Sorry, I was off at the Firesign
Theater link. Pretty funny, especially as most Firesign Theater stuff is
funny only when you're on drugs . . . I've heard.
Dave Fragments
said...I remember the comedy routine of Beat the Reaper from the first
time i heard in on the radio. This book is written in that same kinda
drugged out and spacy realm of anything can happen. The only thing that
nagged me was how fast he seemed to go from ignorant goomba and paid
killer to medical person capable of surgery. That's a lot of real
genius-y type brainpower waste.
vkw said...so what is the take away from this? outrageous stories with good voices work?
Evil Editor said...Most stories are outrageous in one way or another. Good writing works, and voice is an important part of it.
Sylvia
said...The writing was superb, I don't think he could have sold us on
the character if the story telling ability hadn't been so good.
Evil
Editor said...I read a customer review on Amazon that called it the
funniest crime fiction debut since Robert Crais's first book. This makes
me want to read Robert Crais's books. Has anyone read him? He seems to
win a lot of awards.